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Hive vs SiYuan
A side-by-side editorial comparison of Hive and SiYuan — release velocity, themes, recent moves, and the top alternatives to consider.
Hive vs SiYuan: at a glance
What is Hive?
Hive ships in batches, and this one is all planning accuracy and admin control.
Hive publishes its changelog as clusters of single-feature entries dated the same day — seven on August 18, three on August 14. The current batch splits between planning integrity (time estimates surviving assignee changes, a rebuilt Unsubmitted Timesheets view, reorderable Gantt columns), governance (a default restricted-member role applied across every onboarding path, custom-field edits appearing in activity feeds), and small chat conveniences. Nothing in the batch is a new product area; it is the existing surface being tightened.
What is SiYuan?
SiYuan stabilises 3.8.1 after a seven-build beta run, all of it widening the agent surface it opened in 3.8.0
SiYuan has just cut 3.8.1 stable, the endpoint of a beta chain that ran six builds in five days. The release groups into three areas: AI integration work - custom editor actions syncing across devices, an Agent panel shortcut, user-level skills read from a shared agents directory, nested rerank API formats and OpenAI Responses API support; editing and database throughput, including virtualised grouped-table rendering and faster document loading; and cross-platform reliability covering HEIF/HEIC previews, PDF export and mobile behaviour. A batch of MCP and publishing-service fixes rounds it out.
Hive vs SiYuan: editorial side-by-side
Hive
10.0COLLABPM
Hive ships in batches, and this one is all planning accuracy and admin control.
◆ Current state
Hive publishes its changelog as clusters of single-feature entries dated the same day — seven on August 18, three on August 14. The current batch splits between planning integrity (time estimates surviving assignee changes, a rebuilt Unsubmitted Timesheets view, reorderable Gantt columns), governance (a default restricted-member role applied across every onboarding path, custom-field edits appearing in activity feeds), and small chat conveniences. Nothing in the batch is a new product area; it is the existing surface being tightened.
◆ Where it's heading
Two themes have been running through recent batches. The first is making planned time trustworthy — estimates that no longer vanish when work is reassigned, timesheet views built for scanning who has not submitted. The second is administrative control that scales: a least-privilege default that holds across SAML, SCIM, invite links and domain auto-join, and an audit trail that now covers custom-field edits. Both point at larger deployments, where the failure modes are silent data loss and inconsistent permissions rather than missing features.
◆ Prediction
The audit-trail and permissions work looks incomplete rather than finished — activity coverage for other object types and per-field visibility rules are the obvious next steps. Expect the same batched cadence, roughly twice a month.
SiYuan
6.3COLLAB
SiYuan stabilises 3.8.1 after a seven-build beta run, all of it widening the agent surface it opened in 3.8.0
◆ Current state
SiYuan has just cut 3.8.1 stable, the endpoint of a beta chain that ran six builds in five days. The release groups into three areas: AI integration work - custom editor actions syncing across devices, an Agent panel shortcut, user-level skills read from a shared agents directory, nested rerank API formats and OpenAI Responses API support; editing and database throughput, including virtualised grouped-table rendering and faster document loading; and cross-platform reliability covering HEIF/HEIC previews, PDF export and mobile behaviour. A batch of MCP and publishing-service fixes rounds it out.
◆ Where it's heading
This is consolidation of the surface 3.8.0 opened, not an extension of it. The agent, semantic search and MCP endpoint arrived in the 3.8.0 line; 3.8.1 makes them portable and pluggable - skills come from a directory the user controls, editor actions follow the user between devices, and the provider layer now speaks the OpenAI Responses API rather than one bespoke shape. The high beta count against a modest final diff shows a project stabilising a young subsystem rather than building a new one.
◆ Prediction
The next line most likely pushes on the skills directory - discovery, sharing or marketplace distribution of user-level skills - since that is the piece 3.8.1 made user-editable without giving it a distribution path.
Alternatives to Hive and SiYuan
Other Collab products tracked by Sparkpulse, ranked by recent ship velocity. Each card links to a full editorial trajectory and lets you pivot into a head-to-head comparison with either Hive or SiYuan.
Teable
Teable ships daily, and the work has moved from grid features to platform governance.
Simpplr
Simpplr publishes the research that names the gap, then ships the product that closes it.
NetNewsWire
NetNewsWire's 7.1.3 train has moved from rebuilding sync to sweeping up what the rebuild disturbed.
Document360
Document360 rebuilt its API for agents; now it's turning the AI inward on authoring.
Asana
Asana's agent left the app — it now answers work questions inside Slack threads.
Recent activity from Hive and SiYuan
Latest ship moves from both products, interleaved chronologically. ⚡ = editorial spark.
- 22h agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.1 stabilises the agent, skills and Responses API work
- 1d agoHiveDefault new members to a restricted role across every join path
- 1d agoHiveDashboard links unfurl as cards in chat
- 1d agoHiveGantt columns can be reordered and the order sticks
- 1d agoHiveChat statuses can expire automatically
- 1d agoHiveTime estimates survive an assignee change
- 1d agoHiveCustom-field edits now appear in activity feeds
- 2d agoSiYuanSlash menu items become configurable; table column widths distribute evenly
- 2d agoSiYuanTable headers left-align by default; double-click closes tabs
- 3d agoSiYuanUser-level agent skills and virtualized grouped-table rendering
- 3d agoSiYuanAI features move to the OpenAI Responses API
- 4d agoSiYuanAgent panel gains a shortcut; blockquote input fixed
Frequently asked questions
What is the difference between Hive and SiYuan?
They serve adjacent needs but don't currently overlap on shipped themes. Hive is currently shipping more aggressively (velocity 10.0 vs 6.3), with 0 editorial sparks in the last 30 days against 0. See the at-a-glance table above for a side-by-side breakdown of velocity, recent sparks, and editorial themes.
Is Hive better than SiYuan?
Sparkpulse doesn't pick a winner — we score release velocity, not feature parity. Hive is currently shipping more aggressively (velocity 10.0 vs 6.3), with 0 editorial sparks in the last 30 days against 0. For your specific use case, the alternatives sections above list other Collab products to evaluate alongside.
What are the best alternatives to Hive?
Top Hive alternatives in Collab are ranked by recent ship velocity. Browse the "Hive alternatives" section above for the current picks, or visit /alternatives/hive for the full list with editorial commentary on each.
What are the best alternatives to SiYuan?
Top SiYuan alternatives in Collab are ranked by recent ship velocity. Browse the "SiYuan alternatives" section above for the current picks, or visit /alternatives/siyuan for the full list with editorial commentary on each.