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Outline vs SiYuan
A side-by-side editorial comparison of Outline and SiYuan — release velocity, themes, recent moves, and the top alternatives to consider.
Shared themes:mcp
Outline vs SiYuan: at a glance
| Feature | Outline | SiYuan |
|---|---|---|
| Sector | Collab | Collab |
| Velocity score | 2.5 | 6.3 |
| Sparks · 30d | 0 | 0 |
| Top themes | knowledge-base, mcp, agent-write-access, document-permissions | knowledge-management, ai-agent, mcp, cross-platform |
| Last editorial update | 12d ago | 1h ago |
| Website | — | Visit → |
What is Outline?
Outline gave AI assistants write access to the wiki, then spent months on the human side.
The April MCP expansion is the structural change in this window: assistants can patch documents, move and delete documents and collections, work with attachments, and create and resolve inline comments. Everything since has been human-facing and smaller — request-access flows for documents members cannot open, email subscriptions to publicly shared documents with change summaries, task list and checkbox handling in the editor, and profile cards on avatar hover.
What is SiYuan?
SiYuan stabilises 3.8.1 after a seven-build beta run, all of it widening the agent surface it opened in 3.8.0
SiYuan has just cut 3.8.1 stable, the endpoint of a beta chain that ran six builds in five days. The release groups into three areas: AI integration work - custom editor actions syncing across devices, an Agent panel shortcut, user-level skills read from a shared agents directory, nested rerank API formats and OpenAI Responses API support; editing and database throughput, including virtualised grouped-table rendering and faster document loading; and cross-platform reliability covering HEIF/HEIC previews, PDF export and mobile behaviour. A batch of MCP and publishing-service fixes rounds it out.
Outline vs SiYuan: editorial side-by-side
Outline
2.5COLLAB
Outline gave AI assistants write access to the wiki, then spent months on the human side.
◆ Current state
The April MCP expansion is the structural change in this window: assistants can patch documents, move and delete documents and collections, work with attachments, and create and resolve inline comments. Everything since has been human-facing and smaller — request-access flows for documents members cannot open, email subscriptions to publicly shared documents with change summaries, task list and checkbox handling in the editor, and profile cards on avatar hover.
◆ Where it's heading
Two audiences are being served in sequence. The MCP work moved assistants from reading the knowledge base to editing it, including the collection structure itself. The releases after it close ordinary gaps in how people find, follow and get into documents — which is what a wiki needs before more of its edits arrive from automation. Release cadence is roughly monthly with entries that describe outcomes rather than changelogs.
◆ Prediction
Expect the human-facing polish to continue at its current pace, with any next structural move likely extending the MCP surface further into permissions and collection management, since that is where the existing tools stop.
SiYuan
6.3COLLAB
SiYuan stabilises 3.8.1 after a seven-build beta run, all of it widening the agent surface it opened in 3.8.0
◆ Current state
SiYuan has just cut 3.8.1 stable, the endpoint of a beta chain that ran six builds in five days. The release groups into three areas: AI integration work - custom editor actions syncing across devices, an Agent panel shortcut, user-level skills read from a shared agents directory, nested rerank API formats and OpenAI Responses API support; editing and database throughput, including virtualised grouped-table rendering and faster document loading; and cross-platform reliability covering HEIF/HEIC previews, PDF export and mobile behaviour. A batch of MCP and publishing-service fixes rounds it out.
◆ Where it's heading
This is consolidation of the surface 3.8.0 opened, not an extension of it. The agent, semantic search and MCP endpoint arrived in the 3.8.0 line; 3.8.1 makes them portable and pluggable - skills come from a directory the user controls, editor actions follow the user between devices, and the provider layer now speaks the OpenAI Responses API rather than one bespoke shape. The high beta count against a modest final diff shows a project stabilising a young subsystem rather than building a new one.
◆ Prediction
The next line most likely pushes on the skills directory - discovery, sharing or marketplace distribution of user-level skills - since that is the piece 3.8.1 made user-editable without giving it a distribution path.
Alternatives to Outline and SiYuan
Other Collab products tracked by Sparkpulse, ranked by recent ship velocity. Each card links to a full editorial trajectory and lets you pivot into a head-to-head comparison with either Outline or SiYuan.
Hive
Hive ships in batches, and this one is all planning accuracy and admin control.
Teable
Teable ships daily, and the work has moved from grid features to platform governance.
Simpplr
Simpplr publishes the research that names the gap, then ships the product that closes it.
NetNewsWire
NetNewsWire's 7.1.3 train has moved from rebuilding sync to sweeping up what the rebuild disturbed.
Document360
Document360 rebuilt its API for agents; now it's turning the AI inward on authoring.
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Recent activity from Outline and SiYuan
Latest ship moves from both products, interleaved chronologically. ⚡ = editorial spark.
- 23h agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.1 stabilises the agent, skills and Responses API work
- 2d agoSiYuanSlash menu items become configurable; table column widths distribute evenly
- 2d agoSiYuanTable headers left-align by default; double-click closes tabs
- 3d agoSiYuanUser-level agent skills and virtualized grouped-table rendering
- 3d agoSiYuanAI features move to the OpenAI Responses API
- 4d agoSiYuanAgent panel gains a shortcut; blockquote input fixed
- 18d agoOutlineProfile cards on hover
- 1mo agoOutlineDesktop app improvements
- 2mo agoOutlineTask list improvements
- 2mo agoOutlineRequest access to documents
- 3mo agoOutlinePublic document subscriptions
- 3mo agoOutlineMCP support expands to editing documents, collections and comments ⚡
Frequently asked questions
What is the difference between Outline and SiYuan?
Both compete on the same themes — mcp — within Collab. SiYuan is currently shipping more aggressively (velocity 6.3 vs 2.5), with 0 editorial sparks in the last 30 days against 0. See the at-a-glance table above for a side-by-side breakdown of velocity, recent sparks, and editorial themes.
Is Outline better than SiYuan?
Sparkpulse doesn't pick a winner — we score release velocity, not feature parity. SiYuan is currently shipping more aggressively (velocity 6.3 vs 2.5), with 0 editorial sparks in the last 30 days against 0. For your specific use case, the alternatives sections above list other Collab products to evaluate alongside.
What are the best alternatives to Outline?
Top Outline alternatives in Collab are ranked by recent ship velocity. Browse the "Outline alternatives" section above for the current picks, or visit /alternatives/outline for the full list with editorial commentary on each.
What are the best alternatives to SiYuan?
Top SiYuan alternatives in Collab are ranked by recent ship velocity. Browse the "SiYuan alternatives" section above for the current picks, or visit /alternatives/siyuan for the full list with editorial commentary on each.