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Outline vs SiYuan
A side-by-side editorial comparison of Outline and SiYuan — release velocity, themes, recent moves, and the top alternatives to consider.
Outline vs SiYuan: at a glance
| Feature | Outline | SiYuan |
|---|---|---|
| Sector | Collab | Collab |
| Velocity score | 2.5 | 5.0 |
| Sparks · 30d | 0 | 0 |
| Top themes | knowledge-management, mcp, ai-agents, privacy | note-taking, knowledge base, ai agent, databases |
| Last editorial update | 10d ago | 22h ago |
| Website | — | Visit → |
What is Outline?
Outline adds personal docs even admins can't open, pairing agent access with user privacy.
Outline ships on two tracks: an agent integration surface (April's MCP editing tools, September's browser-native WebMCP) and steady workspace UX work. The October release gives every member a Personal sidebar section for drafts and notes that no one else can see, admins included. That is a notable stance for a team wiki, where admin visibility is usually the default.
What is SiYuan?
SiYuan 3.8.9 reaches RC, adding AI-agent extraction of images embedded in PDFs.
SiYuan moved 3.8.9 from beta.6 to rc.1 on Oct 28. The RC's only new item is AI-agent extraction of images embedded in PDFs; the rest of its long list matches beta.5's cumulative notes: pinned agent sessions, backlink filtering by database fields, block-reference collection through database automation, resizable table rows, mind-map themes and node copy/paste, TIFF previews and macOS proxy detection.
Outline vs SiYuan: editorial side-by-side
Outline
2.5COLLAB
Outline adds personal docs even admins can't open, pairing agent access with user privacy.
◆ Current state
Outline ships on two tracks: an agent integration surface (April's MCP editing tools, September's browser-native WebMCP) and steady workspace UX work. The October release gives every member a Personal sidebar section for drafts and notes that no one else can see, admins included. That is a notable stance for a team wiki, where admin visibility is usually the default.
◆ Where it's heading
Outline is building toward an agent-accessible knowledge base that individuals also use for private work, not only shared documentation. MCP and WebMCP opened the content to agents, Open Knowledge Format export lowered lock-in, and personal documents pull pre-publication drafting into the product. The pattern is to widen what lives in Outline while giving users clear control over who, or what, can reach it.
◆ Prediction
The next likely move is connecting personal documents to the existing flows, for example promoting a personal draft into a shared collection or defining what the MCP tools can see in personal space. The entries don't show how agent access and personal privacy will interact, and that is the open question.
SiYuan
5.0COLLAB
SiYuan 3.8.9 reaches RC, adding AI-agent extraction of images embedded in PDFs.
◆ Current state
SiYuan moved 3.8.9 from beta.6 to rc.1 on Oct 28. The RC's only new item is AI-agent extraction of images embedded in PDFs; the rest of its long list matches beta.5's cumulative notes: pinned agent sessions, backlink filtering by database fields, block-reference collection through database automation, resizable table rows, mind-map themes and node copy/paste, TIFF previews and macOS proxy detection.
◆ Where it's heading
The 3.8.x line keeps turning databases and mind maps into structured tools that act on the block graph, and the built-in agent is gaining reach into document content such as PDFs. The release cadence is fast and noisy, with most builds repeating the same cumulative notes.
◆ Prediction
A stable 3.8.9 is likely within days, with little added beyond fixes now that it has reached RC.
Alternatives to Outline and SiYuan
Other Collab products tracked by Sparkpulse, ranked by recent ship velocity. Each card links to a full editorial trajectory and lets you pivot into a head-to-head comparison with either Outline or SiYuan.
KACE
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Mattermost
Mattermost v12 puts user-scoped permissions, private models and audit trails on every agent action.
AFFiNE
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Teable
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Readwise
Readwise splits its bundle into Reader-only and Highlights-only plans and renames its first app.
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Recent activity from Outline and SiYuan
Latest ship moves from both products, interleaved chronologically. ⚡ = editorial spark.
- 1d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 RC1: AI agent extracts images from PDFs
- 1d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 6 (same notes as beta 5)
- 1d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 5: full notes incl. pinned agent sessions
- 2d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 4 improves LaTeX paste and import
- 2d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 3 (same notes as beta 1)
- 2d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 2 (same notes as beta 1)
- 13d agoOutlinePersonal documents
- 1mo agoOutlineWebMCP support ⚡
- 1mo agoOutlineOpen Knowledge Format export
- 2mo agoOutlineProfile cards on hover
- 3mo agoOutlineSplit view
- 4mo agoOutlineDesktop app improvements
Frequently asked questions
What is the difference between Outline and SiYuan?
They serve adjacent needs but don't currently overlap on shipped themes. SiYuan is currently shipping more aggressively (velocity 5.0 vs 2.5), with 0 editorial sparks in the last 30 days against 0. See the at-a-glance table above for a side-by-side breakdown of velocity, recent sparks, and editorial themes.
Is Outline better than SiYuan?
Sparkpulse doesn't pick a winner — we score release velocity, not feature parity. SiYuan is currently shipping more aggressively (velocity 5.0 vs 2.5), with 0 editorial sparks in the last 30 days against 0. For your specific use case, the alternatives sections above list other Collab products to evaluate alongside.
What are the best alternatives to Outline?
Top Outline alternatives in Collab are ranked by recent ship velocity. Browse the "Outline alternatives" section above for the current picks, or visit /alternatives/outline for the full list with editorial commentary on each.
What are the best alternatives to SiYuan?
Top SiYuan alternatives in Collab are ranked by recent ship velocity. Browse the "SiYuan alternatives" section above for the current picks, or visit /alternatives/siyuan for the full list with editorial commentary on each.