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Guru vs SiYuan
A side-by-side editorial comparison of Guru and SiYuan — release velocity, themes, recent moves, and the top alternatives to consider.
Guru vs SiYuan: at a glance
What is Guru?
Guru is tightening the leash on the Knowledge Agent it just handed the keys to.
Everything recent is the Knowledge Agent. It already writes to the knowledge base — creating collections, bulk-archiving cards, running drafts through to publish — and the newest work narrows where and how it acts: per-channel behaviour in Slack, and skills pinned to a named document instead of searching for one. Around that sit guardrails, skill permissions, recoverable drafts and scheduled automations.
What is SiYuan?
SiYuan 3.8.9 reaches RC, adding AI-agent extraction of images embedded in PDFs.
SiYuan moved 3.8.9 from beta.6 to rc.1 on Oct 28. The RC's only new item is AI-agent extraction of images embedded in PDFs; the rest of its long list matches beta.5's cumulative notes: pinned agent sessions, backlink filtering by database fields, block-reference collection through database automation, resizable table rows, mind-map themes and node copy/paste, TIFF previews and macOS proxy detection.
Guru vs SiYuan: editorial side-by-side
Guru
5.0COLLAB
Guru is tightening the leash on the Knowledge Agent it just handed the keys to.
◆ Current state
Everything recent is the Knowledge Agent. It already writes to the knowledge base — creating collections, bulk-archiving cards, running drafts through to publish — and the newest work narrows where and how it acts: per-channel behaviour in Slack, and skills pinned to a named document instead of searching for one. Around that sit guardrails, skill permissions, recoverable drafts and scheduled automations.
◆ Where it's heading
The arc is autonomy first, then control. Having given the agent write access and a schedule, Guru is now spending releases on determinism and scoping — making the agent's behaviour predictable per channel and its grounding exact per skill. That is the work required before customers let an agent run unsupervised on a knowledge base, and it suggests trust, not answer quality, is the constraint being engineered against.
◆ Prediction
The scoping controls point toward auditability as the next gap: some record of what the agent did to the knowledge base, and per-skill or per-channel review of those actions, to match the permissions and guardrails already shipped.
SiYuan
5.0COLLAB
SiYuan 3.8.9 reaches RC, adding AI-agent extraction of images embedded in PDFs.
◆ Current state
SiYuan moved 3.8.9 from beta.6 to rc.1 on Oct 28. The RC's only new item is AI-agent extraction of images embedded in PDFs; the rest of its long list matches beta.5's cumulative notes: pinned agent sessions, backlink filtering by database fields, block-reference collection through database automation, resizable table rows, mind-map themes and node copy/paste, TIFF previews and macOS proxy detection.
◆ Where it's heading
The 3.8.x line keeps turning databases and mind maps into structured tools that act on the block graph, and the built-in agent is gaining reach into document content such as PDFs. The release cadence is fast and noisy, with most builds repeating the same cumulative notes.
◆ Prediction
A stable 3.8.9 is likely within days, with little added beyond fixes now that it has reached RC.
Alternatives to Guru and SiYuan
Other Collab products tracked by Sparkpulse, ranked by recent ship velocity. Each card links to a full editorial trajectory and lets you pivot into a head-to-head comparison with either Guru or SiYuan.
KACE
KACE extends its PHP2SHELL fix to the SDA deployment appliance, six days after disclosure.
Mattermost
Mattermost v12 puts user-scoped permissions, private models and audit trails on every agent action.
AFFiNE
AFFiNE's canaries stay on upkeep: a Swift Collections bump follows CVE and migration fixes.
Teable
Teable's Structured Query v2 now reports across multi-hop relations, with a strict mode against SQL.
Readwise
Readwise splits its bundle into Reader-only and Highlights-only plans and renames its first app.
Recent activity from Guru and SiYuan
Latest ship moves from both products, interleaved chronologically. ⚡ = editorial spark.
- 1d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 RC1: AI agent extracts images from PDFs
- 1d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 6 (same notes as beta 5)
- 1d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 5: full notes incl. pinned agent sessions
- 2d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 4 improves LaTeX paste and import
- 2d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 3 (same notes as beta 1)
- 2d agoSiYuanSiYuan 3.8.9 beta 2 (same notes as beta 1)
- 2mo agoGuruTune how your Slack agent joins the conversation, channel by channel
- 2mo agoGuruGround a skill in the exact document it should use, every time
- 3mo agoGuruHand your knowledge base upkeep to your Knowledge Agent ⚡
- 3mo agoGuruNever lose a draft to employee turnover again
- 3mo agoGuruOperator Mode
- 4mo agoGuruMicrosoft Work IQ
Frequently asked questions
What is the difference between Guru and SiYuan?
They serve adjacent needs but don't currently overlap on shipped themes. Guru and SiYuan are shipping at a similar cadence (velocity 5.0 vs 5.0, both within Sparkpulse's "active" band). See the at-a-glance table above for a side-by-side breakdown of velocity, recent sparks, and editorial themes.
Is Guru better than SiYuan?
Sparkpulse doesn't pick a winner — we score release velocity, not feature parity. Guru and SiYuan are shipping at a similar cadence (velocity 5.0 vs 5.0, both within Sparkpulse's "active" band). For your specific use case, the alternatives sections above list other Collab products to evaluate alongside.
What are the best alternatives to Guru?
Top Guru alternatives in Collab are ranked by recent ship velocity. Browse the "Guru alternatives" section above for the current picks, or visit /alternatives/guru for the full list with editorial commentary on each.
What are the best alternatives to SiYuan?
Top SiYuan alternatives in Collab are ranked by recent ship velocity. Browse the "SiYuan alternatives" section above for the current picks, or visit /alternatives/siyuan for the full list with editorial commentary on each.